a quart over 6 months). Keep posting guys! I'm taking my 2000 Intrigue in for an external coolant leak that I've had for a while. Need a little guidance. Replacing the water pump and the crossover pipe as I noticed slight moisture around the WP. The main crossover coolant pipe is plastic, gets fragile and just leaks. Unfortunately, the quote is normal and typical. Good luck krivasauto-- I learn something every time I log in here. I did take the intake manifold off. Archive - JavaScript is disabled. Nevermind i found out thanks for the tips on how to replace and merry Christmas!!! Advertising - Some pipes have a visible ridge where it can indent the o-ring and cause weeping especially when hot. SO, it looks to me that the shop is doing a good job of preventative maintenance -- once the front of the car is in service position, its the only way to get at that stuff. $650 isn't terrible if you can afford it. It did end up being the coolant crossover pipe. Looking at your picture reminded me that you will need to unhook the EGR and the flex pipe below it as well as the heater hose that are on the crossover pipe. I typed up a detailed rply on this site but when I submitted it I guess my login had timed out or something. Manage Preferences - For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Specially when the bolts break from rust. Do Not Sell My Personal Information -, By logging into your account, you agree to our. and only the OEM pipe is worth a damn. Its pretty easy to take it off. I tried to have this fixed last year, but the shop incorrectly diagnosed this as a leak at the thermostat - new tstat didn't fix it. It's nice to see why I couldn't find a flange on that side of the engine. I've got a '99, 3.5L, and about 90K miles. I'm also willing to bet that the gasket today is the same as it was 10 years ago and will leak again - I'll let you know in another 10yrs :). Thank you to all who have also shared their experiences with this repair. I couldn't even get to the exhaust bolts on the other side of the engine. off; pretty easy job. Looking at this repair - my '99 Intrigue leaving puddles on the floor, not sure if it's this or head gasket (how do you tell?). It said I needed to login even though it said "Welcome slb04786" in the upper right hand corner. i did find a post that said the crossover pipe has an oring type gasket and sometimes can be tightened to fix leak. Contact Us - Advertising - The Crossover manifold uses 3 identical gaskets with metal grommets or spacers and it seems to me that the metal spacers prevent the gaskets from sealing completely and a blown seal is inevitable. I ended up doing this job aboy 3-4 weeks ago. Whilst my 2013 3.0T was in the shop have the engine and transmission mounts replaced, I asked them to investigate a small coolant leak (approx. and its expensive. And thank you Krivasauto for correcting me. I changed the original coolant after 8 years and at about 55K. Welcome to the Subaru Outback Owners Forum, we have tons of information about your Subaru Outback, from a Subaru Outback Wiki to customer reviews. Krivasauto and other "Intriguer's" with coolant leaks. I see coolant on the ground (centered left-to-right and ~3/4 forward in the engine compartment). slip the crook end of crowbar underneath exhaust manifold and EGR tube, with some wrangling a spot should be found to pull the manifold out, up and away just enough to slip out the Crossover pipe. Here's the rub, apparently it requires the removal of the front on the car to gain access, so the total bill would be $1,000 to replace a $140 part. Yes I tried the intake spacers; the engine felt like it got a 2hp gain at all rpms lol, 1 hp of which was probably from all the cleaning, and the other from hot rodding the throttle body. Mine needed to be removed at both ends since the pipe continued 3" into intake mani. The shop stated that there was a very small crack in the plastic coolant pipe that interconnects the cylinder heads at the front of the engine and it needs to be replaced. good idea to clean carbon from intake, TB, egr system and tube, while you are in there. Happened on my wife's 2011. slow leak on and on and on. Also, the oil cooler hose does leak. GM certainly could have done a better job on designing this one. Removing those two bolts allowed me to put my pry bar (crow bar) down between the head and the pipe and move it just enough to loosen the other 2 coolant crossover bolts and lift it up and out with the bolts. The engine starts easier, runs super smooth, throttle tip in transition is awesome, no flat spots in rev range, runs better than new at 108k miles. Discussions related to warranty related issues and repairs, or other problems with the OEM parts and software for MINI Clubman (R55), Cooper and Cooper S(R56), and Cabrio (R57). Make sure all the bolts are off on the EGR valve near the cooling fan and pulled away, there is a 15mm bolt also holding the EGR tube running parallel with exhaust manifold. Cookie Policy - Sorry , didn't mean to " step on your toes " ! Archive - Yes, I just removed the 2 bolts on the flange. Removal of the intake manifold and throttle body is pretty much a given. I'm guessing due to release of pressure/water from these gaskets and the seemingly unique and delicate cooling systems of the 3.5 Intrigue? I have changed a coolant pipe without doing service potion - but the super charger was off. Also, the oil cooler hose does leak. When removing the Fuel Injector connectors it is not necessary to remove the blue locking clip entirely, instead remove it half-way one click and use small screwdriver to push black tab back then gently remove the connector. Took it back off and could clearly see that the o-ring had already started to degrade and harden in less than a week. My apologies to Stan. R56 Coolant Crossover Pipe - Isnt there a better way, F54 :: Clubman Stock Problems/Issues (2015+), https://www.northamericanmotoring.cohermostat.html. The car is still nice, but $leak, $wheel bearing, $AC leak - I think it's almost totalled, unless I use sweat equity, but I think I'm going to have to ask for help on this one. The shop stated that there was a very small crack in the plastic coolant pipe that interconnects the cylinder heads at the front of the engine and it needs to be replaced. This is the pipe that is at the rear of the engine and supplies coolant from one head to aother on the 3.5L engine. Privacy Statement - I have received numerous emails and phone calls about my post. The Fora platform includes forum software by XenForo. No kid can reach in there. The leak will not cause loss of circulation but air in the head or pump would cause it. Automotive Network, Inc., Copyright 2022, http://im1.shutterfly.com/media/47b9cc30b3127ccef882ac8216f200000040O08IZtXLZszag9, http://aurorah.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=nextgeneration&action=display&thread=17754, http://aurorah.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=nextgeneration&action=display&thread=15205, http://aurorah.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=nextgeneration&thread=5702&page=1, http://99intrigue.shutterfly.com/waterpipe. Advertising - I posted the original article in hopes of helping someone else. I didn't unplug the wires to Throttle body because some cars require a relearn if disconnected. Looking at the quote they're proposing to replace three coolant pipes:- the cylinder head pipe, the lower coolant pipe and the oil cooler hose. I've done it on a a few 2006 and older subaru's and not as fun a job as it sounds. sometimes the broken lip of the old pipe stays stuck inside the waterpump housing backside. I have changed a coolant pipe without doing service potion - but the super charger was off. Clean gunk off intake valves and replace all of the rest of the plastic pipes in the cooling system (there are many). The more I think about this, I might just have it done. very kind of you to take that extra time on the phone and it. Also if they are in there might be worth replacing most of the seals that are not so easy access. Maybe theres an aluminum after market for it and a diy. I dont have a good pic of egr pipe, but it is stainless steel, runs almost vertical, and top port to intake is just under TB. Cookie Policy - Fortunately, for now, antifreeze and water are cheap. It also appears to mention that they went after the rear exhaust manifold with a series of extensions, Maybe from the top? The following errors occurred with your submission, Discussion forum for the C7 Audi A6 produced from 2011, The New Marketplace (All new FS items go in here), Vehicles For Sale - Archive (NO NEW POSTS HERE), Parts For Sale - Archive (NO NEW POSTS HERE), Want To Buy - Archive (NO NEW POSTS HERE), Send a private message to Worldwidebeagle. The following errors occurred with your submission. No way I could have unbolted the manifold on that side. The pry bar shortcut worked well after removing throttle body and adapter and left manifold, I removed radiator fans to make that a bit easier, but could probably have done it without that. The main crossover coolant pipe is plastic, gets fragile and just leaks. Still no drips sinse repair. It was my pleasure to interact with you on the phone and share my thoughts on my repair. Terms of Service - What is the name of the gaskets that are on the coolant crossover pipe???? Just scrape it down till its smooth. Another pair of helping hands while prying is recommended. It definitely isn't for the faint of heart. 3300, thank you for the kind words. Do Not Sell My Personal Information -, By logging into your account, you agree to our. I totally agree that the design could have been thought out a little better. SO, it looks to me that the shop is doing a good job of preventative maintenance -- once the front of the car is in service position, its the only way to get at that stuff. and its expensive. krivasauto, suburbanstevie, et.al. Terms of Service - But, the design of the coolant pipe connections could apparently have been better too since they all seem to leak after 8-10 years. Anyway that's another discussion. Doing that took me to a blank reply. . I had spent about an hour explaining what i had done and it was all gone. Been there, done that. I have found that it is not so much the aftermarket pipe but the aftermarket o-ring that comes on them. Remove the other ends. Happened on my wife's 2011. slow leak on and on and on. I did not realize how many people would come to reference it in their own repair. I remember a post mentioning a company that can rebuild the electronics of this Bosch Module, but if I remember it was a few hundred dollars. GM certainly could have done a better job on designing this one. I have 67K on the car ('00). the seal is designed to provide the correct amount of "squeeze" on the gasket's rubber to seal properly. It's tight but I had just enough movement to get the job done. Just wondering, seems like the RM has to come off to clear two bolts. Do Not Sell My Personal Information -, By logging into your account, you agree to our. We had some people state issues. Was much easier than removing right exhaust manifold. i can post pics and guide you if you have 2.5 assuming not too different from 2010. Both Intrigues have been sold over a year ago, but this thread in my inbox made me post. Seems those two years are different from 13-14. sorry mine is different and not much help. I used a 1/4" flex-extension with 13mm end to get out difficult bolt. Removal of front of car does seem excessive. Here's the rub, apparently it requires the removal of the front on the car to gain access, so the total bill would be $1,000 to replace a $140 part. The service department quoted me $785 for the job, but charged me far less ($585) as the technician was already into the engine for the timing belt replacement. YES, have then replace the accessory belt if it has not been done -- the service position is also required for that. YES, have then replace the accessory belt if it has not been done -- the service position is also required for that. I have determined that it is the o rings on the cross over pipe.. i just had my 2014 2.5 throttle body and intake man. Archive - After logging in it said my reply coudn't be posted because I had logged in and to click on the back button to go back. Haha. There is NO aluminium after market. Manage Preferences - Unfortunately, the quote is normal and typical. Trying to be rational here. Terms of Service - VerticalScope Inc., 111 Peter Street, Suite 600, Toronto, Ontario, M5V 2H1, Canada. Contact Us - Check the parting seam on the pipe too when you take the o-ring off. Privacy Statement - For another thread. According to the following links over at the Aurora forum it looks like they removed the throttle body, and heated the bolt on the rear exhaust manifold and disconnected the EGR Inlet from there. when you pulled the old coolant pipe, did all of it come out? Thanks, I think. Thanks for the advice ('though I had to look up 'panoply'! Make sure the old stuff has been cleaned up and try some lights grease/ silicone spray on the o-ring and a tiny bit on the back side of that waterpump, sounds like its just a little too thick and rolling out. There very well may have been problems with the gasket supplier, but with this problem being so pervasive to Intrigues, it does not seem that there was an isolated vintage or batch of inferior gaskets. Hope this thread isn't too old. Yes, had air bleed issues. Hey guys. When the is in service position, its easy to do the JOB CORRECTLY and see what else is wrong. Took several attempts and lots of patience. And the other reason is I cant find any videos or instructions on 2010-2012. Been there, done that. If it is, I'll try to find out how they access it and post back. I just had the coolant crossover pipe replaced as part of the 10-year service; it was leaking. I agree, it's a stupid design. Contact Us - There is NO aluminium after market. I'm with carbon2 on this. 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Try what carbon2 recommends by lifting the coolant tank above the radiator and keep the tank full with the bleeder open on the radiator. I lose about a liter / 600-700 mi. coolant leak in the engine mainfold, help. According to the 3.5L 2001 Aurora procedure both the EGR inlet and outlet pipes (Both of the flexible lines that attach to the coolant crossover) have a crush connection on the end that attaches to the Water Crossover. I couldn't even see if there was a flange down there or not. The metal grommets on the three gaskets are there to make sure you don't over-tighten the seal. Cookie Policy - Got a 2013 XFR with 34k miles on her. Should have used the copy function first I guess. No kid can reach in there. Audi do like to cram things in. Ordered a genuine o-ring which was much more pliable and soft and its been good for months now. Inorder to reuse the hoses the procedure recommends not to remove the connections to the water crossover. a quart over 6 months). and only the OEM pipe is worth a damn. From what I've read, I suspect my problem is the coolant crossover pipe and am preparing for a big labor bill. Maybe find an anorexic kid to get the little fingers up there. Thanks for your detailed response, the thermostat is original, it sounds like I should get that done at the same time. Why didn't MINI just use a hose to connect the thermostat to the water pump? thanks stan for starting this post and for the pointers on the telephone a few days ago! It is hard to tell from your close up pics, but egr pipe looks different than mine. Only my shop is not as spotless as theirs was. Could these be backed out and cut off, and the replacements be cut down 1/8" to 1/4" yet still have enough engagement to make a good seal, or is this just making it harder? I believe the EBCM may require programming to the vehicle. I did'nt need to do any denting of the exhaust pipe. They are complex shapes with multiple nozzles, I can't find a metallic replacement, so it will have to be a like for like plastic replacement. Much longer bolts and I wouldn't have been able to. I have a 2010 2.5 Outback with a leaky coolant crossover pipe..I have searched over this forum, but I cant find removal and installation instructions on the job.. if it is the top one it is intake comes off and that pipe is EGR. If you have had to add coolant a few times because of it being out or extremely low then I think that is you problem. When the is in service position, its easy to do the JOB CORRECTLY and see what else is wrong. 6 hrs of labor to remove right exhaust manifold, egr valve, throttle valve. These cars seem very straight fwd to work on mechanically, but your call. I was afraid this would be the answer. these forums are more educational than I realized). I had meant that the design could have been better thought out to allow access to the pipe by flexing, rather than removing, the manifold. I had a slow trickle after replacing one of mine. This of course doesn't make using the crow bar trick any easier with this stuff attached. Can you find out the part number? (adsbygoogle = window.adsbygoogle || []).push({}); Anyone have any tips for disassemling and replacing the gaskets on the coolant crossover pipe. Probably doubles the time. i removed the variable runner valves as well just to clean. Privacy Statement - That pictorial is very nice, should be quite helpful to any shadetree attempting this job. for July's Outback of the Month Challenge! I was so disappointed I didn't feel like retyping all that again. I still have a soft spot in my heart for the Intrigue! Finally after several times of it back filling and bubbling through the hose at the bottom of resevior bottle and out the over fill tube, the air is out, it seems to come to full pressure and temp like normal but the flow problem seems to be my issue, mainly it seems at the heater core, until it gets a rev of rpms then all returns to normal And you opened the black plastic bleed valve on the top passenger side of the radiator? Whilst my 2013 3.0T was in the shop have the engine and transmission mounts replaced, I asked them to investigate a small coolant leak (approx. Ya, I'm definately "Shade Tree Mechanic".